RE: [Full-disclosure] <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's controversialCisco Security Presentation
From: Lyal Collins (lyal.collins_at_key2it.com.au)
To: "'J.A. Terranson'" <firstname.lastname@example.org>, "'Jason Coombs'" <email@example.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2005 12:04:39 +1000
Ianal, but I think jurisdictions may have issues with receiving and
using/profiting from stolen 'property', regardless of whether that property
is an information/intangible asset or a tangible asset.
In practical terms the information is 'published' as in available to a broad
range of readers.
Available != free to use without consequences in all possible circumstances.
As to the rights and wrongs at the centre of this thread - let the
[mailto:firstname.lastname@example.org] On Behalf Of J.A.
Sent: Saturday, 30 July 2005 11:51 AM
To: Jason Coombs
Cc: Russell Smoak; email@example.com; firstname.lastname@example.org;
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] <Cisco Message> Mike Lynn's
controversialCisco Security Presentation
On Fri, 29 Jul 2005, Jason Coombs wrote:
<cutting to the chase>
> Now, if RC4 had never been used to create a product and had been kept
> as a trade secret, and that secret had been published, then it would
> not have become, automatically, an unencumbered algorithm that could
> be used by anyone with impunity. There being no way other than theft
> of trade secret for a third party to come to know the algorithm, had a
> court order been obtained to halt the spread of the secret the
> algorithm itself could very well have been kept as protectable
> intellectual property until such time as the company that enjoyed a
> commercial advantage through preservation of their RC4 trade secret
> had concluded the public distribution of a product that somebody else
> could have reverse engineered.
The problem here is essentially one of mass distribution. There are now
*millions* of copies of these "secrets" in general circulation. Nobody can
assert with a straight face that anything about Lynn's presentation is not
completely and totally within the public view - and irretrievably so.
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