Re: [Full-Disclosure] I'm calling for LycosEU heads and team to resign or be sacked

Bart.Lansing_at_kohls.com
Date: 12/06/04

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    To: "Micah McNelly" <micah@style.net>
    Date: Mon, 6 Dec 2004 08:33:01 -0600
    
    

    full-disclosure-admin@lists.netsys.com wrote on 12/03/2004 07:50:36 PM:

    > > And if the spammers don't like my packets being sent to their system,
    > > all they have to do is send me a polite e-mail asking to be removed
    > > from my flood-list. It is really quite simple!
    >
    > Wow. Obviously you are not responsible for authorizing payment to
    transit
    > providers and have no idea how much bandwidth actually might cost an
    > organization on a perMonth/perMeg basis. This would have never had any
    > SERIOUS effect on backbone providers but many of their customers who
    don't
    > even KNOW they have someone generating spam from their network would
    > unfortunately see a great deal of money lost.
    >
    > Why don't you go physically assault a spammer. Do you physically
    assault
    > door-to-door solicitors or do you have a sign on your front porch.

    I see...now someone has decided that hyperbole is just what we need...by
    all means let's equate trying to bog a spammer's systems down with
    physical assault. You can go away now.
    >
    > Obviously spam costs all of us $ in some form or another but incurring
    > rapidly generated expenses for non-responsible parties to me seems a bit
    > cruel. Do you assault the mailman for delivering junkmail that
    companies
    > actually pay the USPS to deliver?

    See above reference to going away...or else find coherent and valid
    analogies...thanks for playing.
    >
    > /m
    >
    > ----- Original Message -----
    > From: "Bob Smith" <tatercrispies@gmail.com>
    > To: <full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com>
    > Sent: Friday, December 03, 2004 5:11 PM
    > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] I'm calling for LycosEU heads and team to
    > resign or be sacked
    >
    >
    > > > I think heads should roll over this. I think its the worst act a
    > corporation has ever undertaken in the history of the internet.
    > >
    > > So speaketh n3td3v, prohpet, visionary, lord and leader of Full
    > Disclosure.
    > >
    > > The Internet has always been about vigilante justice. Aside from
    > > exceptionally egregious cases of wrongdoing, like sexually explicit
    > > material with children, fraud, or flagrant piracy, the Internet exists
    > > and operates beyond the boundaries of any one nation's laws. It is up
    > > to the people to self regulate.
    > >
    > > We have tried politely reasoning with spammers, we have tried ignoring
    > > spammers, we have tried _suing_ spammers. We've leisurely worked our
    > > way down the tree and are well past any sort of rational recourse. Now
    > > people are willing to resort to brute retaliation.
    > >
    > > When you sign on to the Internet, you accept this implicitly, to some
    > > degree or another. If you screw up, people will blackhole you, flood
    > > you, or isolate you. Spammers have been lapping us in the face for
    > > too long, and now the Internet reacts and fights back.
    > >
    > > Everyone who downloaded that screensaver did so intentionally, this
    > > wasn't a trojan operating behind the scenes. The participants were
    > > willing combatants. The engine for the battle happened to come from
    > > Lycos this time, but there have been other efforts in the past as
    > > well.
    > >
    > > And if the spammers don't like my packets being sent to their system,
    > > all they have to do is send me a polite e-mail asking to be removed
    > > from my flood-list. It is really quite simple!
    > >
    > > -Taters
    > >
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