joe the "expert" (was Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox )

From: Maurizio Trinco (maurizio_trinco_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 11/20/04

  • Next message: bkfsec: "Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox" 
    To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
Date: Sat, 20 Nov 2004 12:16:52 -0800 (PST)

    "joe" <mvp@joeware.net> wrote:

    > [1] Don't get me started on MCSEs. As a whole I
    think they hurt Windows far
    > more than any other thing. A bunch of people who
    feel they are experts in
    > Windows because they took a couple of tests that 10
    year olds could memorize
    > and pass and yet still not be able to run anything.
    The best I can say about
    > MCSEs is that I will *try* not to look down upon
    them for being MCSEs and
    > let them prove themselves to be worthless before I
    assume it in person.

    Now from joe's own site, comes this fully untrue
    statement:

    'So what is a Microsoft MVP? The flip response is a
    Microsoft MVP is a person who answers the questions
    the MCSE/MCD/MCT folks ask.'

    My dear Joe,

    Let's see what Microsoft has to say about MVPs:
    http://mvp.support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=fh;EN-US;mvpfaqs&style=flat

    Are Microsoft MVPs experts in all Microsoft
    technologies and products?
    No. Although many MVPs have in-depth knowledge of more
    than one product or technology, none of them are
    experts in all Microsoft technologies or products.

    So, my dear joe, you are nothing but an ego-inflated
    bullshitter. Your verbal diarrhea is only matched by
    your unbelievably low level of competence when it
    comes to Microsoft products. Being an MCSE is much
    more than answering some "how do I send a message with
    Outlook" in one or two newsgroups. I worked really
    hard for my MCSE titles and honestly, the idea that I
    (or any of my colleagues) could seek enlightenment
    from you is simply ridiculous. If you think that
    passing exams like 216, 296 or the design exams is
    something an... er, MVP could do... then you'd better
    think again.
    While I'm an MCSE, I'm by no means an ass-kisser for
    Microsoft, as your MVPiness seems to be. Their
    products, contrary to popular belief, could be
    extremely complex (try real life business environment,
    compared to that unlicensed version of Windows 2003
    server you're running at home) and many times
    extremely badly written and vulnerable -- but very
    complex nevertheless. Saying otherwise, only proves
    your lack of specialization (hint: familiarity is NOT
    specialization; you may be 'familiar' with your
    colorful XP, but that makes you by no means a
    'specialist').
    Oh, and something else: for some 10 years before I
    became an MCSE, I was the typical Unix admin. I used
    to laugh at Windows NT, I stopped laughing at 2000.
    I'm by no means friends with hip-kiddies who think
    Linux is cooler than Window$$$, I really dislike
    Microsoft-moronized Windows ass-kissers like you, who
    only know buzzwords, but have no real knowledge of the
    system. You should go together and exchange some
    fanatic e-mails; you belong in a place where
    'my-OS-is-longer-yours' fights
    'windows-2003-is-secure-by-default-'cause-Billy-told-us-so'.
    Anything else... is just proving yourself how MVP and
    not MCSE you are. Or whatever Unix/IT certification
    you may choose, other than the ridiculous MVP thingie.

    Take care and don't let the bedbugs bite.

                    
    __________________________________
    Do you Yahoo!?
    The all-new My Yahoo! - Get yours free!
    http://my.yahoo.com
     

    _______________________________________________
    Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
    Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html

  • Next message: bkfsec: "Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox"