RE: FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment

From: Jim Tuttle (jim.tuttle_at_wesd.org)
Date: 11/17/04

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    It's agendas like that, that segregate the information and keep it locked up
    in secret files that only the "3l33t" you speak of have access too. A
    substantial technological selling point for the current governmental
    administration recently placed in office. I am not disputing your
    professional accreditation or your more-than-real passion for information
    disclosure. You have your reasons, and everyone should respect that. I am
    just merely asking you to look at where you posted your reply. On FD. In my
    last 3 years of network administration and network security, I have no need
    to go to any "site" so you say. I just go to my inbox and download my daily
    FD, and Bugtraq emails. It's all there, in plain text format. Maybe, if your
    agenda is a prominent as your reply made it sound, you should consider
    shutting down FD and the rest of the lists.

    In the meantime, hax0rs, phr34k3rs, FXPers carry on. I need your headaches,
    haxs, Bots and issues. Otherwise, who knows how I'll pay my bills. And I do
    get bored extremely easy. And if you all feel so inclined, post your tactics
    and methods to a website, so I can register an account with a bogus email
    and educate myself.

    No hard feelings n3td3v, this isn't a flame.

    Jim Tuttle
    Tuttle Information Systems.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: full-disclosure-admin@lists.netsys.com
    [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@lists.netsys.com] On Behalf Of n3td3v
    Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:06 AM
    To: Todd Towles; full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
    Subject: Re: FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment

    On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:53:44 +0000, n3td3v <xploitable@gmail.com> wrote:
    > On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:41:20 -0600, Todd Towles
    > <toddtowles@brookshires.com> wrote:
    > > Well, it is given that posting to FD does give a site exposure (good
    > > and bad). But I wouldn't say that FD was the cause of it..it was the
    > > illegal activity that was the cause of it. We all know SCC does some
    > > underground stuff and they post here each time they move. So...I
    > > wouldn't blame the FD list for anything.
    >
    > I wouldn't use the word blame? I think its a good thing if
    > Full-Disclosure is helping to catch online criminals. I don't know if
    > you like malicious hackers and other criminals, but yeah.... I dislike
    > them. I would do anything in my power to stop online crime, from
    > scriptkiddie stuff, to sex stuff,spam,scams, fraud, terrorism and back
    > again.
    >
    > I have no space for anyone thinking they are elite and all the other
    > hacker scene crap. Its time to clamp down on the BS thats on the net.
    >
    > If I was in gov, I would shut a site down that looks remotely
    > hax0rish, even if they've done nothing wrong. All these crews and
    > hacker groups, fk them all. The net needs zero tollerence with online
    > crime. Govs should have the authority to close anything done because
    > they feel like it, without needing to prove ***.
    >
    > I would even close IRC channels. Hackphreak on undernet looks
    > harmless, but fk that. Close it anyway, its time to get a tighter grip
    > on things.
    >
    > Thanks,n3td3v

    Same for zone-h.org, close the crap down.. f**k anything that looks remotely
    hax0rish.

    zero-tollerence!!

    Thanks,n3td3v

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