RE: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox
From: Michael Evanchik (mevanchik_at_relationship1.com)
Date: 11/12/04
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To: <Colin.Scott@csplc.com>, <full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com> Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 11:15:08 -0500
I disagree Colin,
A good administrator knows there is more then one way to skin a cat. Rafel,
I belive was just briefly stating some solutions to the problem. I can tell
you windows protection can be defeated with a few registry changes. Combine
that with an active directory login script and I believe that is one way to
solve the issue. It is wrong to complain and give up if you administrator.
Talk to you developer, im sure he will have a solution =)
Mike
www.michaelevanchik.com
-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@lists.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@lists.netsys.com] On Behalf Of
Colin.Scott@csplc.com
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:46 AM
To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox
More infinate wisdom there Rafel.
Price per license for "Finjan's Vital Security for Web" = 9.50GBP per user
+ 20% support per annum, roughly equates to 160,000GBP (plus any hardware,
software and network requirements) to cover us with your no doubt
class-leading product. I'm sure that the Directors will love to cough up
another 160 grand when we are already paying MS for Premier support.
Use SUS to install XP SP2 to 14,000 Windows 2000 machines? Somehow I think
that will be problematic.
Replace the SHDOCVW.DLL with the XP SP2 version? On Windows 2000 machines?
And what about the practical problems getting round Windows File
Protection? On 14,000 machines? Do you want to come in here and try what
you suggest?
I think Rafel you need a lesson in being a Windows Administrator before
posting your very helpfull posts to this list.
So thanks but no thanks.
Colin.
"Rafel Ivgi,
The-Insider"
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et.il> <full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com>,
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Subject
Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as
safe as FireFox
If you do have 14000 machines why don't you buy "Finjan's Vital Security
For
Web"?
It will filter all malicious I.E exploits for all its surfers(its a proxy,
quite fast...)
Or just use SUS(system update server (microsoft)) just like any other
administrator... to install sp2 or to just
replace the c:\windows\system32\shdocvw.dll with the patched one or with
sp2
one...
Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider
Security Consultant
Malicious Code Research Center (MCRC)
Finjan Software LTD
E-mail: rivgi@Finjan.com
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Prevention is the best cure!
----- Original Message -----
From: <Colin.Scott@csplc.com>
To: <full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 12:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox
Oh yeah, I've got 14,000 Windows 2000 machines to update to windows XP SP2,
hang on wheres that CD?
So thanks for your infinate wisdom there Rafel.
Colin.
"Rafel Ivgi,
The-Insider"
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safe as FireFox
12/11/2004 06:44
That is incorrect, there is a fix --> SP2.
Users should use the latest updated system, meaning if there is an SP2,
they
should install it.
Rafel Ivgi, The-Insider
Security Consultant
Malicious Code Research Center (MCRC)
Finjan Software LTD
E-mail: rivgi@Finjan.com
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Prevention is the best cure!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Martin Mkrtchian" <dotsecure@gmail.com>
To: "Todd Towles" <toddtowles@brookshires.com>
Cc: "Mailing List - Full-Disclosure" <full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com>;
<ring-of-fire@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 3:03 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE is just as safe as FireFox
> They should've at least released that statement after they fixed the
> IE FRAME vulnerability. 0 day exploit is in the wild and no fix for
> it, yet they claim its secure enough.
>
> If the programmers are as smart as the company press releasers, I can
> see why I.E. still sux.
>
>
> Martin
>
>
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 15:59:20 -0600, Todd Towles
> <toddtowles@brookshires.com> wrote:
>> Microsoft's security and mangement product manager (Ben English)
says...
>>
>> At a security roundtable discussion in Sydney on Thursday, Ben English,
>> Microsoft's security and management product manager, told attendees
that
>> IE undergoes "rigorous code reviews" and is no less secure than any
>> other browser.
>>
>> "Because IE is ubiquitous, you hear a lot more about it, but I don't
>> think that Internet Explorer is any less secure than any other browser
>> out there," English said.
>>
>> http://news.com.com/Microsoft+says+Firefox+not+a+threat+to+IE/2100-1032_
>> 3-5448719.html?part=dht&tag=ntop&tag=nl.e433
>>
>> Can anyone say IFRAME? Lol
>>
>> -Todd
>>
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