Re: [Full-Disclosure] Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal.

From: Anders Langworthy (hades_at_psilanthropy.org)
Date: 10/08/04

  • Next message: Jesse Valentin: "Re: [Full-Disclosure] Hacking into private files, my credit card purchases, personal correspondence or anything that is mine is trespassing and criminal."
    To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
    Date: Fri, 08 Oct 2004 13:41:43 -0500
    
    

    > Laws don't change people's behaviour...the enforcement
    > of the laws does.

    I'm going to be optimistic (it being Friday) and say that there are
    other factors worth mentioning that act to change established behaviour.
      Education is a big one--and I'm not just talking about the education
    of the evildoers, I'm talking about the technical education of society
    as a whole. The only way that things will change (wooooah optimism) is
    when the community using the internet has as much knowledge of how to
    defend their data in cyberspace as they do for their physical possessions.

    > Having laws...words written on paper...is ineffective
    > in and of itself. Enforcing those laws, or at least
    > being able to do so, is what has an effect. Even if
    > you have enough trained, qualified LE personnel to
    > enforce the laws, you still have issues of...is the
    > "victim" capable of determining/demonstrating when a
    > crime has occurred?

    Not on that, but some "locks" can be so weak that it is difficult to
    determine from the attacking side when tresspassing has taken place.
    This is often true even for the experienced eye. In the real world,
    most people of sound mental health are able to determine when they are
    trespassing, even if the door that led them there was unlocked and unmarked.

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