Re: [Full-Disclosure] Sick of stupid analogies

From: Byron Copeland (nodialtone_at_comcast.net)
Date: 09/21/04

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Date: 20 Sep 2004 18:22:47 -0400

    And... I'll give this one a + -10

    -b

    On Mon, 2004-09-20 at 17:44, Stryc9 _ wrote:
    > What is with the current state of debate in the Information Technology
    > sector? Why does every post seem to follow the very illogical and
    > seemingly uneducated format of:
    >
    > 1.) point
    > 2.) bad, stupid analogy
    > 3.) ???
    > 4.) I am right!!
    >
    > Stop using farking analogies!! You aren't talking to your IT director
    > or Project Manager here... we all understand the issues and the
    > technology surrounding them.
    >
    > All further communications containing analogies will be moderated -5 Retarted.
    >
    > On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 14:57:13 -0400, glenn_everhart@bankone.com
    > <glenn_everhart@bankone.com> wrote:
    > > Think of this not so much as criminal vs. noncriminal but in warfare
    > > terms. Security defenders have to design fortifications to keep out
    > > attackers.
    > >
    > > If I am trying to build field fortifications and my forces have captured
    > > one of the enemy's designers of attacks, I might very reasonably want to
    > > pick his brain to help me get better defensive designs.
    > >
    > > That doesn't mean I will (or should) believe he has come over to my side
    > > of the conflict, nor does it mean I would have him design any part of my
    > > defenses, lest he build in weaknesses. Yet if I tell him of various defenses
    > > and he tells me of attacks on them which I had not considered, I may find
    > > value in his advice. What I have to validate for myself, even though I
    > > distrust its source, still has some usefulness.
    > >
    > > The thing is, if I am fighting a war I can probably find people to guard this
    > > guy and make sure he doesn't see anything but what I show him, and keep him
    > > from escaping back to rejoin or inform his old friends.
    > >
    > > A company wanting to do this had better be more confident than most in its
    > > ability to build internal barriers to information, and in its ability to
    > > watch what of its sensitive information gets into the enemy or ex-enemy
    > > hands, and what leaves them for where.
    > >
    > > They should remember: if the captured enemy designer should retain his old
    > > loyalty and report their secrets to other enemies, the value of that company's
    > > secrets will be lost.
    > >
    > > So how good is the internal security being practiced by the hiring firm?
    > > Does this indicate, perhaps, some overconfidence?
    > >
    > > Glenn Everhart
    > >
    > >
    > >
    > > -----Original Message-----
    > > From: full-disclosure-admin@lists.netsys.com
    > > [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@lists.netsys.com]On Behalf Of Harlan
    > > Carvey
    > > Sent: Monday, September 20, 2004 1:20 PM
    > > To: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
    > > Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Scandal: IT Security firm hires...
    > >
    > > > > Does it not strike anyone that there is a
    > > > disturbing trend in
    > > > > malicious hackers (yes, yes, I know, they are not
    > > > hackers if
    > > > > they are malicious, so call em whatever you want)
    > > > getting
    > > > > hired to security firms,
    > >
    > > Regardless of the reason for hiring these individuals,
    > > this fact should be noted by any organization subject
    > > to legal or regulatory compliance with regards to
    > > computer/information security. While the laws in the
    > > US do not specifically stipulate that reputable firms
    > > must be used when seeking compliance with vuln/risk
    > > assessments, etc., one would hope that the
    > > professional reputation of the assessing firm would be
    > > considered, as well.
    > >
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