RE: [Full-Disclosure] lame bitching about xpsp2

From: Dinis Cruz (dinis_at_ddplus.net)
Date: 08/14/04

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Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 01:13:07 +0100

    I'm interested about this comment of yours (which I see repeated in a lot of
    places):

    "...They need to forget DOS (which they can't)..."

    What do you mean by DOS?

    Are you talking about "cmd.exe" or are you talking about the current:

            - design of the windows Kernel?
            - way the user-mode APIs work?
            - way the device drivers operate?
            - use of interrupts?

    Also, please expand on what you mean by "...get really permission security
    ..."

    Best regards

    Dinis
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: full-disclosure-admin@lists.netsys.com [mailto:full-disclosure-
    > admin@lists.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Todd Towles
    > Sent: 13 August 2004 18:31
    > To: devis; Full-disclosure
    > Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] lame bitching about xpsp2
    >
    > I agree that Windows would improve from a core OS rewrite. They need to
    > forget DOS (which the can't) and get really permission security. I
    > agree. But to blame MS for the current lot of malware still on the
    > internet isn't fair. I run Windows XP (along with Linux boxes) at the
    > house and I don't pollute the internet with that junk. But of course we
    > are computer people and we can't turn that off, we can't think like
    > normal people anymore. We are fully aware of the dangers of online
    > banking at home directly connected to the internet thru a cable modem
    > and no router.
    >
    > But sad to say, normal people are not..and will not understand. To quote
    > a movie, they are the cattle and we are the cowboys of the new digital
    > wild west.
    >
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: devis [mailto:devis@easynix.net]
    > Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 1:02 PM
    > To: Todd Towles; Full-disclosure
    > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] lame bitching about xpsp2
    >
    > I am getting nimda probes because nimda from a start was made possible
    > by MS designing a web server full of damn holes ( read not tested,
    > deadlines, time is money ). Do not blame the people not patching their
    > boxes, as it is the problem today, but not the problem that caused it.
    > That is what i am talking about short term memory. Track problem at
    > their source instead of fixing now whats leaking., and will releak soon
    > another way. Aren't we likely to see a new worm attacking MS systems in
    > the next future ? Of course we will. Time to stop pretending computing
    > is easy just to sell their damn sofware, and educate people about
    > computer security, which is the reverse of what they have been doing,
    > for all these years. Applauding the change of direction ? I don't cause
    > it is higly hypocrit, otherwise the new pop up blocker of Internet
    > Explorer will block ALL popups.
    >
    > Beside, the unix based permissions system has proven far superior, ask
    > apple. Still shameful that the default XP install, in 2004, at these
    > malware times, still logs you as an administrator . Would you feel safe
    > using ur *nix box as root everyday ? I wouldn't.
    >
    > If Ms is really serious, they wouldn't design lame things from a start.
    > They do want you to have to patch. They do want you to consume and buy
    > plenty anti virus, personnal firewall etc etc. Don't beleive me ? Take a
    > look at the svchost.exe and how it werks.
    > So i hope SP2 will reduce these bogus traffic everyone sees.
    >
    > Wake UP before its too LATE.
    > My 2 cents.
    >
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