Re: [Full-Disclosure] IE now on-topic

From: Andrew Latham (lathama_at_yahoo.com)
Date: 07/20/04

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    To: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:36:06 -0700 (PDT)

    On topic now.....

    What would be the defining parts of a black hat for a sys/net/etc admin to
    understand.

    1. Boredom - more brains than hobbies
    2. Needs
    - burstable bandwidth - downloads
    - knowledge
    - bragin rights
    3. Challenges
    4. Other

    Please expand on these so we can classify what it is that makes a blackhat
    other than M$ and or FUD.

    --- Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
    > On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:12:30 PDT, Cory Crawford said:
    > >What's interesting is how many jackasses are out there defending these guys
    >
    > What's interesting is people who can't identify the difference between
    > "defending" and "understanding". And if you paid attention, I never said we
    > don't do Bad Things ourselves - "they're not that different than us" cuts
    > *both* ways.....
    >
    > To make it on-topic - if you're trying to do security, you have to
    > *understand*
    > your opponent. You don't have to defend a black-hat's mindset - but you're
    > pretty well screwed trying to stop a black hat if you don't have at least a
    > clue of what the black hat's motivations are.
    >
    > Similarly, if you base your defences against suicide bombers on the theory
    > that
    > they're all poor, uneducated, and suicidal, you won't do a very good job in
    > stopping the majority of them that are intelligent and well-educated and
    > motivated
    > to reclaim their country.
    >
    > Remember the "Afghani freedom fighters" that we funded to get the Soviets out
    > of Afghanistan? Yep.. that's where al Quada came from. And it's foolish on
    > our part to call them "freedom fighters" when they're trying to throw *our*
    > enemy (the Soviets) out of *their* country, and then be upset when they're
    > trying to throw *us* out of *their* country... Failure on our part to
    > understand that - in the terrorist's view - they're just as morally justified
    > as the French Resistance was during World War II, and for the same reasons
    > (removing morally reprehensible invaders from your own country), merely
    > guarantees that we can't "win" that war..
    >
    > > Where's the outrage of the slavery and rape being condone by governments in
    > > Africa, India, and other countries? You should really try thinking on your
    > own
    > > and doing research in more places than your political wacko websites and
    > movies
    > > by insane conspiracy theorists.
    >
    > You're making the extremely dubious assumption that just because the outrage
    > isn't on this list, that it doesn't exist. Remember, the "designated protest
    > zone"
    > is several blocks over, where nobody can see it... :)
    >
    > The news regarding the military history of the recently surrendered terrorist
    > and the loss of GW Bush's military records were both carried on CNN and other
    > major news services. I *will* however admit that pointing out the
    > juxtaposition of the two was due to that "political wacko conspiracy
    > theorist"
    > Jay Leno...
    >
    > > Your ignorance and hate of yourselves and human beings in general is worse
    > > than stupid. It's pitful.
    >
    > What's *really* pitiful is your typing that in response to my posting, which
    > was attempting to dispel ignorance.....
    >
    > > One day you will learn this and it'll be likely that this lesson will be
    > > learned as those whom you praise are blowing your stupid butts to oblivion.
    >
    >
    > It's far more likely that my *** will be blown to oblivion due to my failure
    > to
    > *understand* my opponent, than due to my non-existent attempt to praise them.
    >
    > And that's why I make an attempt to *understand* the adversary...
    >

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