Re: [Full-Disclosure] Erasing a hard disk easily

From: Gary E. Miller (gem_at_rellim.com)
Date: 07/15/04

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    To: Darren Reed <avalon@cairo.anu.edu.au>
    Date: Wed, 14 Jul 2004 23:44:13 -0700 (PDT)
    
    

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    Yo Darren!

    On Thu, 15 Jul 2004, Darren Reed wrote:

    > Have you ever actually used format on Solaris to format a SCSI disk ?

    Yes, many times. The first time within a year or two of when they were
    founded. Their HQ was less than a mile from my old offices in Mountain
    View. One of my best friends sold them all their DRAM for the first few
    years. He would personally fly to Japan, swap an envelope of cash for
    the DRAM and fly back with the DRAM in his briefcase.

    I probably formatted my first scsi disk on a UNIX system in 1982 on a
    Charles River Data Systems box.

    I have also many times had to move disks from UNIX systems to DOS
    systems for low level recovery. This because many companies only
    provide low level bad block tools as DOS .exe files.

    If I have been simplifying things a bit much it is because I am
    not sure how many other folks out there have EE degrees, have advanced
    disk drive electronics experience and really need to know the nitty
    gritty details.

    > I ask because your comments here make it seem like you have not...and the
    > lack of that experience shows in the rest of your comments, too...

    Hmm, so I guess when Priam, Seagate, Shugart, Maxtor, Memorex, etc. paid
    me to write low level hardware tests for their disk drive production
    lines they hired the wrong guy huh?

    When I consulted to Priam I worked next to the room where they kept
    the magneto-optical interferometer. Engineers would pull the platter
    out of a marginal drive and place in on a spindle. The spindle of the
    interferometer sat on a 6" thick granite table set on big air donuts on
    a solid steel frame. The steel frame sat on a special piece of solid
    concrete that was isolate from the building foundation and sat directly
    on the underlying soil. It was so sensitive that if a big truck drove
    by on Oakmead Parkway they could see it in their results. Sort of
    understandable considering the land was sorta swampy before they built
    the industrial park just south of Alviso. They claimed they could read
    the last 7 to 10 passes on the track by the residual magnetism on the
    disk.

    The trick is not so much read/write percentages, like has been discussed
    here, but off-center tracking and subtle timing/speed changes.

    If one pass is written a few % points of track width to the inside
    on one pass and a few % to the outside on the next. The
    interferometer was sensitive enough in width to profile the overlapping
    tracks. When you looked at the results it was if you had tried to
    draw a pencil line on top of another pencil line. The small differences
    were detectable and discernable as two separate lines.

    The second effect is a peak effect. Contrary to popular opinion, disk
    drives do NOT write ones and zeros. For one thing disks, like T1 lines,
    are an AC medium and not a DC medium. So encoding it used to keep the
    frequency spectrum to/from the heads in a narrow range to allow for
    effective filtering. Then, to increase density, special codings are
    used, like MFM, RLL, ARLL, etc. What goes on the disk is measured in
    terms of flux reversals and flux peaks. In RLL 1,7 as many as 7 bits
    may be encoded with a single flux reversal.

    Here is a good reference on RLL encoding as used on disks:
            http://duplex.hypermart.net/books/hards/002-004.html

    The analogy is not exact, but you can think of it like a modem. NO
    analog POTS modem has a BAUD (symbol) rate over 2400. But you get the
    BIT rate up to 56,000 by encoding more than one BIT per BAUD (symbol).
    If this is unclear you should spend the $$, buy the relevant ITU
    specs for V.32 and read them.

    When you re-write a disk the flux reversals and flux peaks of the new
    data will not line up over that of the last data. Even if you write
    the same data twice, there will be subtle differences in clock speed and
    spindle speed that means the new data will not line up exactly on the
    old data in the angular direction. If you have a digital o-scope hooked
    up to the read head ahead of the filtering then you can see the little
    artifacts of the last data written. It is also plainly visible on the
    interferometer.

    I am NOT saying that this is an easy thing to do. At a big disk
    drive company maybe only a few people are capable of this kind of
    analysis and their success rate will be limited. But it can be done
    and I have personally seen it done.

    To repeat what others have said here. If the NSA wants to read
    your "scrubbed" HDs they probably can. As for everyone else, not
    much to worry about.

    RGDS
    GARY
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