The usefullness of IDSes (Was: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Is Marty Lying?)

From: Peter Busser (peter_at_trusteddebian.org)
Date: 09/23/03

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    Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2003 08:35:53 +0200
    
    

    Hi!

    > "Detect intrusions" - if you can set an IDS signature for something, then
    > you shouldn't be vulnerable to it. So the functionality of IDS is to tell
    > you when you've been compromised by six-month old public vulnerabilities
    > that dvdman has finally gotten his hands on an exploit for, that you never
    > bothered to patch for?
    >
    > Useless.

    And what if you use an IDS for checking a security policy? E.g. if you have a
    special server that is only used by the accounting department and you set up
    rules to detect connections to that server coming from other departments?

    Or to monitor port scanning probes on the network. A system shouldn't be
    vulnerable to a probe. But it could mean the prelude to an attack.

    Of course these things could be detected by other means as well.

    Groetjes,
    Peter Busser

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