Re: [Full-Disclosure] MS Blaster author / morning_wood misinformed
From: Kryptos (kryptos_at_phreaker.net)
Date: 08/31/03
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To: <full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 16:43:30 -0700
We had a homeless guy sleeping in one of our buildings. He entered the
building during the hours which it was opened to the public, but remained
until the building was locked up for the weekend. When caught over the
weekend, he was charged with burglary. Furthermore, being on a property is
only counted as criminal trespass if you've already been issued a trespass
warning stating that you're not to come on the property for a specified
period of time.
-- Kryptos kryptos@phreaker.net 925.955.8110 ----- Original Message ----- From: "yossarian" <yossarian@planet.nl> To: "Paul Schmehl" <pauls@utdallas.edu>; <full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com> Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] MS Blaster author / morning_wood misinformed : Entering is going into a house without breaking a lock. Breaking in, well, : that is when there is some lock, and it is broken. Insurance companies : really like this difference, if there is no signs of breaking and entering : (which b.t.w. is a legal term in the US also...), you don't get money. : : Furthermore, if you don't lock your car, and sometime the pohlice checks, : you'll be fined. I think that is absolutely correct, since you are wasting : law enforcements time and taxpayers money, if you make it too tempting. Kind : of biblical, don't lead someone into temptation. But hey, where a : calvinistic country, just look at our PM's face.... : : Bit sad this has to be explained. Think some people in security need some : legal training. : ----- Original Message ----- : From: "Paul Schmehl" <pauls@utdallas.edu> : To: <full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com> : Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2003 7:17 PM : Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] MS Blaster author / morning_wood misinformed : : : > --On Saturday, August 30, 2003 6:22 PM +0200 Peter Busser : > <peter@trusteddebian.org> wrote: : > > : > > I don't know about US, Canadian, German or Chinese law. But in Dutch law : > > there is a big difference between entering a house and stealing stuff : and : > > breaking into a house and stealing exactly the same stuff. Apparently : the : > > house owner has a responsibility of his own. : > > : > And the difference is? : > : > Paul Schmehl (pauls@utdallas.edu) : > Adjunct Information Security Officer : > The University of Texas at Dallas : > AVIEN Founding Member : > http://www.utdallas.edu : > : > _______________________________________________ : > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. : > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html : : _______________________________________________ : Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. : Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.514 / Virus Database: 312 - Release Date: 8/28/2003 _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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