RE: [Full-Disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by W32Blaster] (fwd)

From: Gerald Cody Bunch (gbunch_at_gmx.net)
Date: 08/20/03

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Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 01:11:16 -0400

    Please define the term real MCSE, being as the first word in the acronym
    stands for 'Microsoft'
    it would stand to reason that a real MCSE is nothing more than trained
    'Microsoft' marketing monkey.

    I believe what you are referring to is not quite a 'real MCSE' however,
    but a Networking/Systems engineer.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: full-disclosure-admin@lists.netsys.com
    [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@lists.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Denis
    Dimick
    Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 9:30 PM
    To: Michael Gale
    Cc: full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
    Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by
    W32Blaster] (fwd)

    We should talk about gun control next..

    On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Michael Gale wrote:

    >
    > Please ... if a MCSE is in charge of a network and something
    happens,
    > like everyone on the network gets the MSBLASTER worm then the MCSE is
    as much at fault as Microsoft is.
    >
    > Microsoft builds the piece of sh*t but the MCSE are the ones pushing
    > it down everyone's throat saying "Look at how user friend and secure
    > this is".
    >
    > Any real MCSE would know that windows is crap and should therefor do a

    > better job of protecting the internal network.
    >
    > Michael.
    >
    >
    >
    >
    > On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:42:17 -0500 (CDT)
    > Ron DuFresne <dufresne@winternet.com> wrote:
    >
    > > On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Schmehl, Paul L wrote:
    > >
    > > > > -----Original Message-----
    > > > > From: Bryan K. Watson [mailto:bwatson@netTracers.com]
    > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:46 AM
    > > > > To: 'Byron Copeland'; 'Ron DuFresne';
    > > > > full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com
    > > > > Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by
    > > > > W32Blaster] (fwd)
    > > > >
    > > > >
    > > > > > That is a load of B.S. if I ever heard it.
    > > > >
    > > > > I can attest to the fact that this is indeed.... NOT BS...
    > > > >
    > > > > True, there are a bunch of MCSE's that are on top of
    > > > > things....however, there are way too many scam artists with
    > > > > MCSE's who only give a damn about getting a bigger consulting
    > > > > fee than securing their customer's networks.
    > > >
    > > > And of course there isn't a single *nix consultant around who
    > > > isn't worth his/her weight in gold and doing an absolutely
    > > > fabulous job......
    > > >
    > > > Shitty people come in all shapes and sizes and infest every
    > > > profession. They're as unavoidable as air.
    > >
    > > Kinda feeling like all fingers point home huh?
    > >
    > > Why blame the poor MCSE's when one should perhaps fault the vendor
    > > again, for not only failing to provide a viable patching system that

    > > does not overburden these folks, but also undertrains them in
    > > perperation for the world of hurt they are about to be employed in.
    > >
    > > There, that should satisfy all those indignant MCSE's that try to
    > > do the right thing, but are swamped with the rate of and poor
    > > quality of patches they have to deal with.
    > >
    > >
    > > Thanks,
    > >
    > > Ron DuFresne
    > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
    > > "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity. It
    > > eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the

    > > business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
    > > ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
    > >
    > > OK, so you're a Ph.D. Just don't touch anything.
    > >
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