RE: [Full-Disclosure] Microsoft urging users to buy Harware Firewalls
From: Richard M. Smith (rms_at_computerbytesman.com)
To: <firstname.lastname@example.org> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 23:13:17 -0400
Tens of millions of home owners have already purchased NAT boxes and use
them on a daily basis to share their cablemodem and DSL Internet
connections between multiple computers. These products are extremely
popular. Not sure what all these problems that are you complaining
about. In my exprerience, these boxes just work.
[mailto:email@example.com] On Behalf Of Thilo
Sent: Wednesday, August 13, 2003 10:00 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Microsoft urging users to buy Harware
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On Thursday 14 August 2003 02:04, Richard M. Smith wrote:
> I agree with Microsoft's recommendation for a hardware firewall on all
> home PCs. A Linksys NAT router box is selling for only $40 at Amazon
> we speak. Besides protecting against the MSBlaster worm, a hardware
> firewall blocks those annoying Windows pop-up spam messages which have
> become so common lately. A hardware firewall also protects a shared
> Windows directory from being accessed from the Internet. My only
> question is why aren't NAT routers built into all cable and DSL
This is ridiculous. Before long, you get millions of windows private
complaining, why netmeeting, or their nice game server is not accessible
anymore. Nice - of course you also disabled the potentially "evil"
now. Then the user finds about port forwarding, and as soon as the user
done this, the computer is suddenly vulnerable again to flaws in the
that is being provided to the outside! who would have thought that?
Also - the principle of masquerading is, that inbound connection
at the router and cannot get to the computers in the local network. By
default the router approves all connections from the inside to the
To be honest, I have preferred this solution in my home LAN, I would not
anything else to be set up.
Trojans/worms that connect from inside the lan to a control channel in
something like that are not hindered at all by the router/hardware
- From the point of the user - one has bought some new hardware router
has trouble with configuring the firewall (to make it possible for
host games or something like that), or doing all the portforwarding
all of it requiring time. Furthermore, I have seen many routers enough,
were unable to do some decent connection tracking, especially for UDP
games .. if the user has not put that hardware he bought into the trash
yet, he has some basic security. With port 135 and 139 and all the like
closed and secure.
What is wrong with this picture?
How about not opening these ports in question _AT_ALL_ on the private
I mean - what the hell has a oversized bloated super server behind the
windows opens by default got to look for on a home computer? The popup
is only a minor example ... I simply ask _why_ open the ports to the
at all? I can understand if this is needed for file shares, etc... but
not leave the configuration of these matters in the hands of the users
only start to listen on these ports if the user explicitly tells windows
If a user *really* wants these services be available to the world wide
has a hardware firewall, he will do port forwarding, and we'd be back
where we started.
If Microsoft's general concept of "secure by default" installations is
going to change radically, we will face a vulnerability soon enough
Remote DoS against FileSharing
I think history speaks for itself. I want to annotate, that I am not
either regarding the policy of many Linux distributions.
But that microsoft expects home users to buy additional hardware to make
for microsoft's own faults is an outrage.
- Thilo Schulz
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