RE: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm

From: John Ruppert (likewhoa_666_at_hotmail.com)
Date: 06/05/03

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Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2003 14:06:43 +0000

    >From: "Robert J. Liebsch" <rliebsch@stoneyamashita.com>
    >To: "Schmehl, Paul L" <pauls@utdallas.edu>
    >CC: <full-disclosure@lists.netsys.com>
    >Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm
    >Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2003 18:57:12 -0700
    >
    >worse than HTML email... Exchange

    worse than Exange... it's Users.

    >*eep*

    Please continue.

    >I have mixed emotions about making ppl understand security. Users are
    >rather
    >stupid by nature.
    >Otherwise, I wouldn't have a job.

    Now that's a fun sentence, you have to admit it.

    "Users are rather stupid by nature. Otherwise, I wouldn't have a job."

    Let's analyse this. It's not hard to understand.
    Translation:
                      "I am not smart enough to handle intelligent people."

    >I think however, having them use the software and equipment, making
    >natural,
    >and letting them
    >watch the news and read the magazines, and talk to the clients about "oh,
    >that worm/virus/hack,
    >didn't affect us.

    wtf? News are evil. News is business. News are not facts and influence the
    world's population
    way of thinking.

    >I cannot make users understand why they need to change passwords. They
    >argue
    >and whine and
    >cry alot, but they do change those passwords.

    erase their data once and they will never cry alot again.

    >My wife, my family are not tech savvy folks. But they humor me and they
    >take
    >precautions, then
    >they patiently listen to their friends and collegues complain about virii,
    >ftp and irc servers they were
    >unwittingly running on thier systems. Then I get to overhear my family say
    >things like "well why don't
    >you have a Router/Firewall thingy... it works for me"
    >
    >9out of 10, that silly little NAT on the linksys is enough to ward off
    >penetrations to home computers, for
    >home manual non-reading users.

    Just so you know, unplugging the wire solves 10 out of 10.

         -likewhoa
    How do you plan to change the world, today ? 

    ---
"I like to control my brain with my brain."
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