Re: Reflections on Trusting Trust

From: Peter Jeremy (
Date: 11/27/05

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    Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2005 05:21:16 +1100
    To: Ian G <>

    On Sun, 2005-Nov-27 15:27:46 +0000, Ian G wrote:
    >1. On the wider scope of your post I'd say that you
    >did not present a need for an x.509 certificate
    >that I could see.

    PGP and X.509 have totally different trust models. The PGP Web of
    Trust relies on each individual knowing and trusting a number of other
    individuals - a newcomer or someone who is fairly isolated is unlikely
    to have sufficient links to be able to fully participate. OTOH, the
    X.509 model requires that the individual trust a central Authority -
    which might be simpler for a newcomer. (I'm not going to get into a
    debate on the reliability or reputation of current CAs).

    >> - Signing ISO images with a Project key and/or certificate in addition
    >> to providing MD5 checksums.
    >No, all you need to do is include the checksums
    >in a signed announcement. In fact, that's all
    >that a common digital signature does, so you'd
    >have to look at why you want more digital sigs...

    It's trivial to verify an announcement signature when you receive the
    e-mail. Doing so afterwards can be more problematic. Yesterday, I
    grabbed the (signed) 6.0-RELEASE announcement from the mailing list
    archive (
    Whilst the signature was still intact, the content has been changed
    so the signature no longer verifies. (The changes are presumably
    mechanical changes as part of its conversion from text to HTML but
    undoing them would be difficult).

    Peter Jeremy
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