Re: FreeBSD Security Advisory FreeBSD-SA-02:21.tcpip

From: Karsten W. Rohrbach (karsten@rohrbach.de)
Date: 04/19/02 

Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2002 22:14:45 +0200
From: "Karsten W. Rohrbach" <karsten@rohrbach.de>
To: Doug Barton <DougB@FreeBSD.org>

Doug Barton(DougB@FreeBSD.org)@2002.04.19 11:45:28 +0000:
[...]
> > doug, the "lines of code" argument does not apply to people supplying
> > ideas, or experience from operations. take me for example, i am not much
> > of a c coder, so i see it as a contribution to the world _not_ to put
> > my sources out, them being pretty crappy and likely to screw up things
> > badly. OTOH, i answer questions on the mailing lists and contribute my
> > ideas to the community, all originating from my work expeieence with
> > freebsd and other systems, you get the point.
>
> Oh, I agree completely. The problem is, at the end of the day,
> this is a volunteer organization. If no one volunteers to make your idea a
> reality, you're pretty well stuck in do it yourself mode.... unless your
> idea of fun is to sit around and wait for the topic to come up and make a
> nuisance of yourself over and over again.

i just wanted to point out that not everyone in the community is a coder
demigod, but a lot of people come up with good ideas. you're perfectly
right with that statement above, because code simply doesn't write
itself.

and, yes, in my spare time i am currently experiencing quite a steep
learning curve in understanding netbsd's/freebsd's make system, and
emacs, and some more minor fundamental things that have to do with
"hard" code. i did my cs studies in darmstadt, quite some 10 years ago,
and i do try very hard to acquire the knowledge to be able to play with
the build system, as a first step. the code i write for stuff i need, on
a daily basis, is mostly in python, just as a sidenote, so you hopefully
understand my deficiencies in reading and writing C code or makefiles.

as it comes to committing code to the project, you already read my
statement, on how i see my C proficiencies. i once made an apache module
to drive netscape 3.x remote configuration and isp service registration.
this was the only compiled language project in _years_ (and i was glad
when it ran in production and we were finished with it). another small
tool is /usr/ports/sysutils/timelimt, by peter pentchev, where i hacked
some docs and contributed some ideas, but i must admit that in this
little program, my language knowledge increased quite a bit, but not
sufficiently to modify os or userland code, or create new programs
(in C).

i guess the comparison of your perspective as a proficient (i hope
that's the right word) C coder to mine as a systems administrator is
like you would sit down read the handbook and translate it to a language
you do not speak (for example thai), chapter by chapter. it's simply a
steep learning curve keeping a lot of folks from being a guru, but
that's not really a bad thing.

when it comes to personal experience to share with the community - i
mean system administration questions, operations knowledge, etc. - you
know that i always shared and will share that openly. i also provide a
complete cvsup server in .de (which is not listed at the moment, btw.)
because i think that this is one way to give something back to the
community.

> Do YOU Yahoo!?

no, i google ;-)

regards,
/k 

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