Re: IPFW almost works now.

From: Antoine Beaupre (LMC) (
Date: 06/12/01

From: "Antoine Beaupre (LMC)" <>
To: Jamie Norwood <>
Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2001 17:02:17 -0400

Jamie Norwood wrote:

> On Tue, Jun 12, 2001 at 04:44:02PM -0400, Garrett Wollman wrote:
>><<On Tue, 12 Jun 2001 16:27:49 -0400, Jamie Norwood <> said:

>>Balderdash! HTTP and TCP both send files over identical TCP
>>connections, which makes them equally efficient. There really is no
>>reason for FTP to continue to exist (but yet it does).


> OK, even not arguing the point, they are still quite different applications.

This is it. The only reason why FTP still exists is because there is no
"standard" command-line HTTP client that can be used as an FTP client.

Same thing on the server side. Although you have mod_put for apache. ;)

> FTP still very much serves a purpose. For one thing, uploading via HTTP is
> excessively non-trivial.

Why? Because (almost) no software was written with that application in mind.

While I would gladly let FTP die in favor of a cleaner (HTTP) and more
secure (HTTPS) alternative, it does indeed serve a purpose: legacy.


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