Re: [fw-wiz] The home user problem returns

From: Mason Schmitt (mason_at_schmitt.ca)
Date: 09/13/05

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    To: Chris Blask <chris@blask.org>
Date: Tue, 13 Sep 2005 09:36:27 -0700

    >> Are my ideas ill-conceived?
    >
    > no no, that was a general comment about Marcus being right (don't tell
    > him I said that!)... ;~)
    >

    You shouldn't have CC'd him then ;)

    >> What specifically do you think is bull***? Or is it just my approach
    >> in general? The better I understand this problem the better off I'm
    >> going to be.
    >
    >
    > Wrong tack. My comment was not in opposition to your comments, but in
    > something akin to agreement.

    Ah, sorry about that.

    >> N in a positive reinforcement scenario (short term)
    >> ----------------------------------------------------
    >> If as a group, we like to preach least privilege, why do we keep trying
    >> to tell home users what they _shouldn't_ be doing? That sounds like
    >> default allow. Why not tell them what they should be doing? It's going
    >> to be a much shorter list.
    >
    >
    > "Make things as simple as possible but no simpler. "? :~)

    Yeah!

    >> Getting back to computers and the Internet... If these sorts of controls
    >> and industry maturity were in place, home users wouldn't be such a
    >> problem. The big problem is that the Internet right now is very much
    >> like the "Wild West" - it's young, immature, un-controlled and much
    >> about how it should work is still unknown. It just needs to mature.
    >
    >
    > The problem we are dealing with is that many consumers do not understand
    > what electricity is or why they should expect their razor to shave their
    > face but not be able to cook a well-turned prime rib - or explode
    > violently and tear off their arms, for that matter. They are
    > effectively Australopithicenes and we need to bring them up to at least
    > Victorian standards so they don't beat the computer with a stick to kill
    > the demons inside.

    I'd love to see someone try to do that :) That would be immensely
    entertaining.

    >> > Lucy: "You can't subtract five from three!"
    >>
    >> > Linus: "You can if you're stupid!"
    >>
    >> I hadn't heard that exchange before. That's a good one :)
    >
    >
    > I got a Peanuts book when I was four for Christmas with that cartoon in
    > it. A few months later my dad taught me about negative numbers, and the
    > fact that something so obviously impossible could turn out to be so
    > completely wrong so quickly has always stuck with me. All sorts of sh*t
    > is possible if you just do it...

    Yup. It often just takes a willingness to look at other possible ways
    of approaching a problem. 

    --
Mason
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