[fw-wiz] Exchange 2003 OWA compromise reached

MHawkins_at_TULLIB.COM
Date: 01/21/05

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    Date: Fri, 21 Jan 2005 14:31:23 -0500
    
    

    Thanks to all for your answers to my questions regarding Exchange 2003 OWA.

    The solution we have reached is this.

    Since we also want to move our ftp server onto a separate DMZ away from our
    web servers because ftp servers run a higher than average risk of
    compromise. We are going set up a new DMZ that is considered even less
    trusted than our existing web server dmz.

    Then, we will attach the Microsoft ISA server outside interface to the
    "VeryUntrustedDmz" and connect the ISA inside interface to the
    "NotParticularlyTrustedMuchWebDmz". The ISA server will then talk to the
    front end server that is located within our inside network.

    So the Checkpoint firewall will be able to act like a dual firewall for the
    ISA server. Performance should not be a problem because webmail is not
    expected to be a high volume app for our user community anyway.

    Once again, thanks to you all for the help I received. The discussion was
    very heated at times but in the end the solution is satisfactory to me from
    a risk perspective and it also corrals the ISA server within the confines of
    the Checkpoint architecture.

    You all have a great weekend and final thanks,

    Mike Hawkins

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Smith, Aaron [mailto:SmithA@byui.edu]
    Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2005 12:32 PM
    To: Hawkins, Michael; firewall-wizards@honor.icsalabs.com
    Subject: RE: [fw-wiz] Exchange 2003 OWA security questions

    >Our Microsoft admin wants to multihome an ISA server on our web dmz
    with the
    >other NIC connected to our internal network to allow the ISA to talk to
    the
    >internal MS OWA front end server which then talks to the exchange
    server
    >(sheesh!). All this to allow users on the internet to access exchange
    via a
    >web browser.
    >I've read alot of the documentation on the whole Windows2003 Exchange
    web
    >pages solution and I think Microsoft is trying to bad mouth other
    firewalls
    >while touting their own proxy/packet firewall as good as or better than
    >"the
    >rest of the world". Problem is, checkpoint/Nokia is a far better
    technical
    >solution compared to MS ISA (MS bigots take a deep breath and count to
    ten).

    A MS consultant wanted to do the same thing here when our mail admins
    upgraded the Exchange servers. In his words, "a PIX is _only_ a layer 4
    packet filter. Sure it's fast, but it only filters up to layer 4."
    Well, that's all it's marketed as, too!! IMO, it's better to have a
    fast, secure L4 filter than a slow, unsecured, buggy, bloated L7 filter.

    >I asked the MS admin to single home his ISA or forget about ISA
    altogether
    >and just run a front end server in the web dmz. The idea of breaking
    our
    >Checkpoint architecture with an ISA that multihomes between the
    internal
    >network and our web dmz is just too much to ask a decent security admin
    >don't you think. Now I need ammunition to press the point home.

    After a few heated discussions and my insistence that we wouldn't be
    replacing the PIX with ISA, the consultant decided not to install ISA.
    My argument was that we only allow 1 point of entry into the
    network--our firewall. His rant was that ISA _is_ a firewall.
    Whatever.

    >i) If any of you run an ISA for tunneling for the front end server I'd
    like
    >to hear if you were able to do it using single homing (the doco says
    it's
    >possible but not recommended and our MS admin says he can't get it to
    work.

    Our guy said that ISA _requires_ 2 interfaces on different networks; it
    won't do hairpinning.

    >ii) Scrap the ISA server, I think the front end server should be on the
    web
    >dmz. Does everyone agree with this? Yes, I know I have to open up all
    those
    >nasty MS ports but atleast I can restrict it to talking to the DC's and
    a
    >few other boxes - those would be hardened machines anyways.

    We opened up smtp, http, pop3, imap, and ms-exchange routing (tcp 691)
    from the front-end DMZ box to the internal Exchange boxes, plus some
    domain stuff. Not pretty, but much prettier than trusting a MS box with
    2 NICs.

    >iii) I think the MS admin should just run a front end server internally
    and
    >also another front end server on the web dmz. That way, you can harden
    the
    >web dmz machine properly but don't have to worry about the one that's
    only
    >for internal use (ok not too much worry). Make sense?

    Isn't that proper design, anyway? Separate the Internet services from
    the intranet services.

    I had to fight long and hard to win this battle. Ultimately, I think MS
    is pushing their consultants to install ISA wherever they can. In this
    case, it only made the design more complex and less secure, yet he still
    pushed to install it. He was either trying to rack up the hours or he
    drank an extra dose of ISAKoolaid that morning. What we installed works
    just fine without ISA cluttering up the picture.

    @@ron Smith
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