Re: [fw-wiz] How to Save The World

From: Jian Zhen (jlz_at_zhen.org)
Date: 12/13/04

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    To: "Marcus J. Ranum" <mjr@ranum.com>
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 21:53:38 -0800

    Marcus J. Ranum (mjr@ranum.com) [041212 19:16]:
    > You mean garbage like those things that let you automatically flip
    > powerpoints for a remote user to present a talk? Garbage that has
    > become popular because sales reps and marketing weenies are
    > apparently too stupid to tell their meeting attendees, "next slide,
    > please..." as they pause to collect their thoughts? Yeah, we need
    > that garbage in order to do business. Not.

    How bout garbage like those things that let you run a full demo of your
    product w/o leaving your seat? or garbage that let you do Q&A or polling
    directly in the web cast? or garbage that let you share an application
    from your desktop and even let the customer drive it to get a feel of
    the product?

    While I agree that it sucks most of these web sharing applications only
    run on Windows/IE, these applications do help companies save thousands
    of dollars. Imagine having to fly to a customer site everytime you need
    to do a demo.

    >
    > > Most of the webconference software out there does not work with anything other than IE/Windows.
    >

    Actually, I have not had any problem running WebEx or Raindance on my Mac PB12.

    > Then don't use it. It won't hurt you. Honestly. I have clients who want to

    Respectfully disagree. It can hurt your bottom line.

    It's not just a ppt flipping software. :)

    > As Sun Tzu said, "when you are dealing with motherf*ckers
    > who make endless excuses - cut the first one's head off,
    > and the excuses will suddenly stop."

    As Sun Tzu said, "If you want to win the war, you have to put yourself
    in a non-losing position."

    I agree w/ what you said earlier, coying everything from Windows
    into Linux is a sure way to lose, as you are not creating your
    own unique advantage. Basically Linux is NOT putting itself in a
    non-losing position for the desktops.

    Btw, I don't think Sun Tzu said your quote up there. :) 

    -- 
Jian Zhen <jlz@zhen.org>
Blog: http://www.trustpath.com/logmatters
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