Re: [fw-wiz] Re: Spyware mumbo jumbo and bigger woes

From: Crispin Cowan (crispin_at_immunix.com)
Date: 12/12/04

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    To: Adam Shostack <adam@homeport.org>
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2004 17:36:36 -0800

    I parsed Dave's comment the other way, that spyware is vaguely
    illegitimate and unpleasant, while phishing is outright illegal.

    Crispin

    Adam Shostack wrote:

    >Dave,
    >
    > I suspect I misunderstand you.
    >
    > Are you saying that the practice of phishing is in a grey
    >area? I mean, I'm on the side of Abagnale and the redemptionists (to
    >reprise a debate), but I have no doubt that phishing is nasty
    >misrepresentation and fraud, and not justifiable by any logic. And I
    >say that even as I can appriciate the artistry of a well executed
    >phish, in the same way I can appriciate a Jet Li movie. I wouldn't
    >want to hit it in real life.
    >
    >Adam
    >
    >On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 09:45:24AM -0500, Dave Piscitello wrote:
    >| I think the "reason" no one's doing too much evil of the sort you
    >| describe with spyware is that the motivation of spyware companies is
    >| "for profit". Many of the spyware developers are full time
    >| programmers with 401K and medical bennies working for profit-seeking
    >| companies that have deplorable business ethics. Phishing crosses the
    >| vague line between what is illegal and what is unpleasant/intrusive.
    >|
    >| On 2 Dec 2004 at 14:43, J. Oquendo wrote:
    >|
    >|
    >| > how long until someone wisens(evils) up and creates a
    >| > replica in conjuction with hosts files and scams a couple of thousand
    >| > people into sending priceless information to some shmuck with too much
    >| > time on his/her hands.
    >|
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