Re: [fw-wiz] Re: Spyware mumbo jumbo and bigger woes

From: Devdas Bhagat (devdas_at_dvb.homelinux.org)
Date: 12/12/04

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Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2004 11:50:00 +0530

    On 07/12/04 21:59 -0500, Adam Shostack wrote:
    <quoting style corrected>
    > On Mon, Dec 06, 2004 at 09:45:24AM -0500, Dave Piscitello wrote:
    > | I think the "reason" no one's doing too much evil of the sort you
    > | describe with spyware is that the motivation of spyware companies is
    > | "for profit". Many of the spyware developers are full time
    > | programmers with 401K and medical bennies working for profit-seeking
    > | companies that have deplorable business ethics. Phishing crosses the
    > | vague line between what is illegal and what is unpleasant/intrusive.
    > |
    > | On 2 Dec 2004 at 14:43, J. Oquendo wrote:
    > |
    > |
    > | > how long until someone wisens(evils) up and creates a
    > | > replica in conjuction with hosts files and scams a couple of thousand
    > | > people into sending priceless information to some shmuck with too much
    > | > time on his/her hands.
    > |
    >
    > Dave,
    >
    > I suspect I misunderstand you.
    >
    > Are you saying that the practice of phishing is in a grey
    > area? I mean, I'm on the side of Abagnale and the redemptionists (to

    I understood that to mean that while adware/spyware is unpleasant and
    intrusive, but possibly not illegal, phishing is clearly illegal.

    > reprise a debate), but I have no doubt that phishing is nasty
    > misrepresentation and fraud, and not justifiable by any logic. And I
    > say that even as I can appriciate the artistry of a well executed
    > phish, in the same way I can appriciate a Jet Li movie. I wouldn't
    > want to hit it in real life.

    Artistic or not, it ranks out there as a crime.

    /me returns to looking for patterns in phishing accounts while
    terminating them.

    Devdas Bhagat
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