Re: [fw-wiz] Certification Q?=
From: Q?=svyatoQ=20?= (svyato_at_list.ru)
Date: 06/18/04
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To: firewall-wizards@honor.icsalabs.com Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 02:36:23 +0400
Disagree & agree w/ Allan. Hmmm... wonder how many spouting off about certs have one or more? Which?
I have a great memory (usually) and always test well. I didn't study for the CISSP (much) and passed. But unlike most multiple choice tests I've taken, there were *very* few "gimme" questions on that test. I had no idea walking out if I passed. Each question made you think and analyze.
That said, analyzing and trying to deduce the real intent of the question author is a *lot* different (is it?) than the type of analytical thinking we need to do in our work. And the fact that I passed w/o much study makes me think a little less of that cert (hush ... don't tell employer!) Of course, I have many many years experience in several subject domains and sure don't think just anyone can walk in and pass. (Maybe I'm special! ;)))
I agree of course with the importance/value of being able to locate/recognize/use resources rather than depend on it all being in your head. Life and career is not a closed book exam, therefore unlike certification process. Have to say tho that a big cache of knowledge fuels that analytical thinking -- can't find everything on Google you know.
Cheers,
Svyato
PS: Certainly some of the smartest tech. people I know, including him with most overwhelming raw intellect, have no degree or cert.
> From: Allan <larsmith@tds.net>
> Reply-To: larsmith@tds.net
> Organization: YoreMoments
> To: <firewall-wizards@honor.icsalabs.com>
> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 22:34:16 +0000
> Subject: [fw-wiz] Certification ?
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> <RANT>
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> I'm gagging on this "certification" thing.
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> Certs / Exams are a determiner of MEMORY ability ... the number of related / unrelated details that a person can REMEMBER / RECAL in a time-restricted environment.
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> REAL life not only involves memory of facts but memory of where to LOOK for answers and finding them in what ever resource is available.
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> In my personal life, I repair cars, washing machines, deal with my children, do computer "consulting" work, answer tech-support phone calls, build firewalls, manage three properties, etc., etc. and there's NO WAY in (hades) that a person can know ALL the answers even MOST of the time in a time-restricted environment ... and that's why theres RESOURCES to which a person can turn to for the answers.
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> REAL LIFE isn't even about knowing all the answers but often includes FINDING answers for the 1st time !! And doing so quickly ... OR ... simply doing so RELIABLY ...
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> It's about wisdom. It's not just about "knowledge" but what to do with that knowledge.
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> Case in point. I worked for an engineering firm. They hired a young fellow who, in high school, was a wizz ... graduated at 15 ... went to Clarkson University ... again, a wizz. Graduated with high marks. Went to work for our engineering firm and couldn't do ANYTHING right, when it came to PRACTICAL application of what he knew.
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> Sadly MANY QUALIFIED people are overlooked because of issues of "certification" or "university degree".
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> It's a fact of life. It's exacerbated by the fact that now-a-days you can BUY your damn cert and STILL know NOTHING about what you're doing, in a PRACTICAL APPLICATION sense !!
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> There are certified and well degreed people working at firms which have been hacked / digitally vandilized / violated ( you fill in the adjective ). Can you think of a few ?
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> Cert Smert !!
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> They're as reliable, PERHAPS, as a "lie-detector" or Graphology ... perhaps ... maybe even as reliable as the qualifications of the CIA personnel (plural) who recommended that the USA / UK go into Iraq ... MAYBE ...
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> </Rant>
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