Re: [fw-wiz] Certification ?
From: Don Parker (dparker_at_rigelksecurity.com)
Date: 06/17/04
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To: Allan <larsmith@tds.net>, <firewall-wizards@honor.icsalabs.com> Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 11:13:22 -0400 (EDT)
All certs are not created equal. Have you yourself attempted a GIAC cert? I assure you it
is no easy task, and it is most definitely not simply rote memorization. You are making
blanket statements just like the other much debated Ethical Hacking training thread. Some
are good and some are bad. It is as simple as that. Bottom line is go for a cert that has
a practical portion to it, vice simply a multiple choice exam.
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On Jun 16, Allan <larsmith@tds.net> wrote:
<RANT>
I'm gagging on this "certification" thing.
Certs / Exams are a determiner of MEMORY ability ... the number of related / unrelated
details that a person can REMEMBER / RECAL in a time-restricted environment.
REAL life not only involves memory of facts but memory of where to LOOK for answers and
finding them in what ever resource is available.
In my personal life, I repair cars, washing machines, deal with my children, do
computer "consulting" work, answer tech-support phone calls, build firewalls, manage
three properties, etc., etc. and there's NO WAY in (hades) that a person can know ALL the
answers even MOST of the time in a time-restricted environment ... and that's why theres
RESOURCES to which a person can turn to for the answers.
REAL LIFE isn't even about knowing all the answers but often includes FINDING answers for
the 1st time !! And doing so quickly ... OR ... simply doing so RELIABLY ...
It's about wisdom. It's not just about "knowledge" but what to do with that knowledge.
Case in point. I worked for an engineering firm. They hired a young fellow who, in high
school, was a wizz ... graduated at 15 ... went to Clarkson University ... again, a wizz.
Graduated with high marks. Went to work for our engineering firm and couldn't do ANYTHING
right, when it came to PRACTICAL application of what he knew.
Sadly MANY QUALIFIED people are overlooked because of issues of "certification"
or "university degree".
It's a fact of life. It's exacerbated by the fact that now-a-days you can BUY your damn
cert and STILL know NOTHING about what you're doing, in a PRACTICAL APPLICATION sense !!
There are certified and well degreed people working at firms which have been hacked /
digitally vandilized / violated ( you fill in the adjective ). Can you think of a few ?
Cert Smert !!
They're as reliable, PERHAPS, as a "lie-detector" or Graphology ... perhaps ... maybe
even as reliable as the qualifications of the CIA personnel (plural) who recommended that
the USA / UK go into Iraq ... MAYBE ...
</Rant>
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