RE: [fw-wiz] Waning Security

From: Kelly, Chris W. (ckelly_at_hsutx.edu)
Date: 04/23/04

  • Next message: Stewart, John: "RE: [fw-wiz] Stanford break in" 
    To: "Frederick M Avolio" <fred@avolio.com>, "Paul D. Robertson" <paul@compuwar.net>, "S. Jonah Pressman" <jpressman@sympatico.ca>
Date: Fri, 23 Apr 2004 10:27:22 -0500

    >>Security is *everyone in an organization's responsibility* but that
    >>means that the people in charge have to pay attention. If there's not

    >>an easy and well-known way for an organization to inform and indeed
    >>complain about it, it's STILL not the messenger's fault. Shooting the

    >>messenger ensures you get no more messages-

    >I'd not shoot the messenger for noticing a problem. I'd shoot the
    messenger for telling the world about it.

    Putting on my management hat - IF this employee had the confidence that
    his manager would/could understand and deal with the problem, there
    would not have been a discussion here. If his manager was open to
    communication from his/her employees about improving the business
    processes, there would not have been a discussion here. It's the
    responsibility of the management (at least local mgmt) of the business
    to create an environment where employees can share their concerns and
    feel like sombody at least gives a crap about "it", even if nothing can
    effectively be done to change the situation. Shoot the messenger now
    and the messenger will certainly discuss the details of their
    termination with others and - as management - you'll play hell getting
    any useful info out of your employees after that. You will have
    sucessfully re-energized the Us/Them barrier. This is the absolute
    hardest business relationship problem to undo.

    I do agree that the name of the company could have been left out of the
    discussion.
    _______________________________________________
    firewall-wizards mailing list
    firewall-wizards@honor.icsalabs.com
    http://honor.icsalabs.com/mailman/listinfo/firewall-wizards

  • Next message: Stewart, John: "RE: [fw-wiz] Stanford break in"

    Relevant Pages

    • Re: Whose bloody businesses are they anyway?
      ... likely display the same detachment and lack of knowledge of the business ... stage of meeting clients on the golf course, ... I would employ a simple selection process for management posts. ... employees should get to vote each year on which managers can stay in their ...
      (uk.politics.misc)
    • Re: Whose bloody businesses are they anyway?
      ... There is no doubt in my mind that most companies would function just as well without the top strata of management as they do with. ... Another odd thing, it is often mirrored through companies, e.g. the boss of a business division will likely display the same detachment and lack of knowledge of the business as those at the higher levels. ... Once he got to the stage of meeting clients on the golf course, he was able to close multi-million dollar deals without providing any proposals, tenders or whatever. ... employees should get to vote each year on which managers can stay in their jobs. ...
      (uk.politics.misc)
    • Re: 60 Minutes last night...
      ... Of course health care in Canada still has to be ... kinds of people in management taking profit come in cheaper than one ... However if we generally believe that business competition is good ... representing more money than the wages of non-management employees. ...
      (rec.music.gdead)
    • Re: Circuit Citys harsh layoffs give glimpse of a new world
      ... If that management style produced to most ... they can then feed the employees a line of shit about how much they care ... might stay in business 80 years - and a generation of people might spend a ... is both silly and stupid on both ends. ...
      (rec.crafts.metalworking)
    • Re: Circuit Citys harsh layoffs give glimpse of a new world
      ... Duh, in case you haven't noticed, no business is in business for the ... If that management style produced to most ... they can then feed the employees a line of shit about how much they care ... is both silly and stupid on both ends. ...
      (rec.crafts.metalworking)