RE: [fw-wiz] Seeking input: Research Proposal: "Is a third position possible?"

From: Ben Nagy (ben_at_iagu.net)
Date: 03/23/04

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Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:33:39 +0100

    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: firewall-wizards-admin@honor.icsalabs.com
    > [mailto:firewall-wizards-admin@honor.icsalabs.com] On Behalf
    > Of Paul D. Robertson
    > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 2:45 AM
    > To: Holt, Philip
    > Cc: firewall-wizards@honor.icsalabs.com
    > Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] Seeking input: Research Proposal: "Is a
    > third position possible?"
    >
    > On Sat, 20 Mar 2004, Holt, Philip wrote:
    > > "Is a third position
    > > possible?"
    >
    > More than three positions are certainly possible, the real
    > question is are they supportable?

    I think the _real_ question is..."WTF?"

    > > We are all aware of CISSP's Canons.
    >
    > It would appear that not all CISSPs are "aware" of the
    > canons

    Well I got one recently (got bored) and I don't recall any secret
    initiations or elk lodges. As I recall it went something like "Don't be an
    idiot, don't do illegal or unprofessional stuff and don't diss the CISSP".

    That hardly qualifies as "canon" IMO, and I find the term (with its
    religious overtones) quite...troubling.

    > > We are also all aware of the positions put forth and the beliefs
    > > held fast to of the 2600 Group, Hacktivismo, John Perry Barlow's
    > > "Declaration of Cyberspace" and a host of other similar
    > positions and
    > > beliefs that are in fact counter-positions to those revealed in
    > > CISSP's Canon.

    OK. Why don't you explain what _you_ think the conflicting CISSP and 2600 /
    Hacktivismo positions are, and then we can play ball.

    > I don't hold a CISSP[2], but I fully support their canons and
    > indeed they match my ethics quite well.

    (Paul likes Big Endian footnotes, apparently. :)

    > >(building
    > > of course on Edmund Husserl's "The Crisis of European Sciences and
    > > Humanity and Transcendental Phenomenology")

    I think you're going to have to set out the basics of transcendental
    philosophy in general versus the empirical sciences here before you get any
    meaningful feedback. It's stretching a _lot_ to assume a grounding in this
    stuff for respondants.

    A quick precis on how the _FSCK_ you think this impacts network security
    would be for bonus points.

    Let me put it a different way. I think you might have more luck with making
    your request understandable to everyone if you tried to phrase it in terms
    we non-academic mortals might understand and leave out the abstract
    philosophy.

    Cheers,

    ben

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