Re: [fw-wiz] Sources for Extranet Designs?

From: George Capehart (capegeo_at_opengroup.org)
Date: 02/24/04

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    To: "Baumann, Sean C." <Sean.Baumann@celera.com>, "Wes Noonan" <mailinglists@wjnconsulting.com>, "R. DuFresne" <dufresne@sysinfo.com>
    Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 19:05:45 -0500
    
    

    On Monday 23 February 2004 02:16 pm, Baumann, Sean C. wrote:
    > > From: Wes Noonan [mailto:mailinglists@wjnconsulting.com]
    > >
    > > Never grant access to your production network or resources
    >

    <snip>

    >
    > So I guess my specific questions are:
    >
    > 1.) If you say you should never allow access to resources on your
    > protected or internal network, how do you handle giving access to
    > services that reside on machines that cannot be duplicated (i.e.
    > expensive mainframes)?

    In the financial services world, this is typically handled by passing
    messages between gateway machines that live in the DMZs of the
    respective partners. Basically, the protocol is message based. Data
    sources and data sinks are buried way down in the soft chewy inside.
    The data sink at CorpA builds a request message that is relayed through
    a gateway machine in CorpA's B2B DMZ to CorpB's gateway machine in
    CorpB's DMZ. This machine then relays the message on into the data
    source machine down in the soft and chewy insides of CorpB. A service
    in CorpB's internal network parses the message, does its magic and then
    builds a reply message which then takes the same logical trip back. In
    serious situations, the gateway systems also function as
    application-level firewalls which inspect the message content, check
    signatures, log transits, etc. Typically, there is some NATting going
    on at the firewalls, so destination addresses are in CorpA and CorpB
    public address spaces, but they get translated into RFC1918 addresses
    at the DMZ. With respect to direct access to services/transactsions,
    it would be more likely to find fossil remains of hens' teeth than it
    would be to find an instance of a third party having direct access to
    an internal transaction . . .
     
    > 2.) Do most companies require routable address on their extranet?
    > Currently we use RFC1918 address for our extranet, but we see that
    > this will become a problem in the future as we add partners.

    See above.

    HTH,

    George Capehart

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