RE: [fw-wiz] You'll never get fired for recommending IBM - sorry - Microsoft

MHawkins_at_TULLIB.COM
Date: 12/18/03

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Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2003 09:00:42 -0500

    You know, the more I think about this, and the more I read, I agree with the
    use of the term monoculture.

    Because Microsoft is not a monopoly.

    And I copy a brief exchange that came up on the "I'm feeling lucky google
    button" for "meaning of the word monopoly".

    Evidently, people know think that a monopoly means "I have to use a product
    because everybody else uses it". Sorry, that comes nowhere near the true
    meaning of the word.

    Read on... http://www.control.com/994793842/index_html

    Here is the text.

    Re: MS 'Monopoly'? was ENGR WinNT Reliability
    Jul 10, 2001 3:37 pm, by Ralph Mackiewicz
    Text :
    > Please refer to zdnet.com for information regarding the US appeals
    > court decision. MS does, in point of fact and law, maintain a
    > monopoly in the desktop operating systems market. Furthermore, MS
    > has, in point of fact and law, violated section 2 of the Sherman
    > Anti-trust law. You can say and believe what you want, but the facts
    > are evident as attested to in mind-numbing and sleep inducing detail
    > by the courts.

    Just because a bunch of congressman and senators in the early part of the
    twentieth century misused the word monopoly when they wrote the
    Sherman Anti-trust law doesn't change the meaning of the word.

    What the federal judiciary has been doing regarding MS is ruling on a point
    of law, not on a definition. They said MS had a "monopoly" on
    desktop o/s **AS DEFINED BY THE SHERMAN ANTI-TRUST LAW**. There is a reason
    why legal and medical terms are sometimes defined by latin
    names: so the legal/medical meaning doesn't get confused with the real
    definition in popular usage. Too bad they didn't do that with Sherman.

    You can say that Microsoft is the dominant supplier of desktop O/S but they
    don't have a monopoly on anything other than Windows.

    > Laws exist to prevent monopolies, not protect them.... And, as stated
    > above and by the courts, this one does exist.

    Laws do not prevent monopolies. Laws create them. Try to setup a company to
    distribute electricity to residential customers and you will soon enough
    discover how the law is used to enforce a monopoly. Then to compare, start a
    company to market graphical user interface operating systems in competition
    with MS. You may have some trouble
    getting investors but you won't get arrested for it. The last I heard Linus
    Torvalds is still a free man.

    > I would also question the accuracy of your "hundreds of choices"
    > reference.

    OK. I exaggerated a little. The RTOS buyers guide lists 33 O/Ses in their
    listing. That doesn't even include MS, Linux, and the Unix variations. So
    there are over 30 operating systems available not hundreds. Sorry.

    > In closing, neither you nor I are a lawyer, but the judges are. You
    > may not like what they said, but MS does fit the legal definition of a
    > monopoly, and has fulfilled the legal definition of violation of US
    > Anti-Trust law. Therefore, by definition, they are a monopoly.

    I may not be a lawyer but I do know the difference between a legal opinion
    (MS is a monopoly as defined by the Sherman Anti-trust Act)
    and the incorrect assertion that there are no choices because MS has a
    monopoly on operating systems. Curt W. is proof enough of how this
    latter assertion is incorrect: he is building systems that don't have MS in
    it.

    Regards,
    Ralph Mackiewicz

    -----Original Message-----
    From: Bill Royds [mailto:broyds@rogers.com]
    Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2003 11:54 PM
    To: 'George Capehart'; Hawkins, Michael; mjr@ranum.com;
    breno@gamebox.net
    Cc: firewall-wizards@honor.icsalabs.com
    Subject: RE: [fw-wiz] You'll never get fired for recommending IBM -
    sorry - Microsoft

    The term that should be used instead of monoculture is monopoly. That is the
    best word to describe Microsoft desktop software and it was even proved to
    be so in a court of law in the U.S.
    Monopolies are not always bad. AT&T once had a monopoly on the U.S. phone
    market which was accepted for various reasons. But it also had to report
    closely to government to ensure that it was not trampling over too many
    others. There were still some small competition to ATT&T like in various
    places like Rochester Telephone in Rochester N.Y.. But a monopoly is the
    state when market share is so dominant that there are areas where it is the
    sole player and they make up more than 50% of the market.
     The break-up of ATT&T has given us the Baby Bells like Verizon, SBC and
    BellSouth that are still near monopolies in their marketplace, but it has
    increased the innovation in the telecommunications market.
      Funny enough Apache is almost a monopoly player in the web server market
    and Microsoft is the competitor breaking the monopoly up.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: firewall-wizards-admin@honor.icsalabs.com
    [mailto:firewall-wizards-admin@honor.icsalabs.com] On Behalf Of George
    Capehart
    Sent: December 17, 2003 5:24 PM
    To: MHawkins@TULLIB.COM; mjr@ranum.com; breno@gamebox.net
    Cc: firewall-wizards@honor.icsalabs.com
    Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] You'll never get fired for recommending IBM - sorry -
    Microsoft

    On Tuesday 16 December 2003 10:15 pm, MHawkins@TULLIB.COM wrote:
    > What do you call a monolithic representation of a predominantly
    > identical membership within a group?

    You know, I've been staring at this sentence for a while now. I
    recognize *all* of the words, but when I try to parse that sentence my
    parser blows up . . . is this a troll?

    /g 

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