RE: [fw-wiz] @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments

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To: "Mike Hoskins" <mike@adept.org>, <firewall-wizards@honor.icsalabs.com>
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 09:15:08 -0400

 
Something tells me that @Stake goofed up big time on this one. I don't
think he will have any problems finding new opportunities. And I agree,
this does not bode well for @Stake's level of integrity. As an old time
L0PHT fan, I for one feel that a chapter in history has closed. Watching
Dan and co. Rise from perceived menaces (maybe somewhat earned) and
growing up into a legitimate security service that business really need
warmed the heart of every Entrepreneur and Security Geek out there. With
the threat of losing ones job for exposing the truth, especially when
tasked overall with security responsibilities as a career, is in my
opinion abhorable.

Frank

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-----Original Message-----
From: Mike Hoskins [mailto:mike@adept.org]
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 7:11 PM
To: firewall-wizards@honor.icsalabs.com
Subject: Re: [fw-wiz] @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments

From: Paul Robertson <proberts@patriot.net> On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Joseph
S D Yao wrote:
>> Dan's never been afraid to tell the truth. That @Stake fired him for

>> telling the truth, and such a well-known truth, says more about
>> @Stake's lack of integrity and love of MS $$$ than it does about Dan.
>I don't know Dan, so I can't comment on that part.
>@Stake is in some ways a competitor to TruSecure, so I'll try to avoid
>commenting on that part too.

you show wisdom beyond your years. not that i know how old you are, but
many would not have been so correct. thanks.

> I think it's a damn shame that companies want the best of both worlds.

ditto.

> Much worse than knee jerk vendor reaction to criticism is knee jerk
> employer reaction to criticism of a third party. I don't think I'd
> want to work in that sort of environment.

precisely! and here's the thing (or at least one of them) -- the report
clearly stated that the opinions were those of the individuals. it did
not say this was @stake's stance, or any other employer's. the only
place the employers were mentioned were in the individual's titles (and,
i'm guessing, they may not have even decided on that).

the point is, people told the truth and even took precautions to make
sure the truth was NOT misinterpreted as the opinion of their employers.
yet, some employers overreacted, showing quite obviously who their bed
partners truly are.

> Homogenous networks are bad, and it's worse when your protection

spot on, as usual. but we're all just agreeing here. people seemed to
think having tiered firewalls back in the dot-bomb days was "just
something you do when you have loads of VC cash" -- not. it's just one
example of taking network security as seriously as it deserves... at
least for (truly) mission critical sites. blind vendor loyalty rarely
pays in our world. well, unless it's a check from M$. ("a check from
M$"
is essentially what's been offered to numerous government agencies to
maintain loyalty to M$ product lines.)

RFCs have said what Dan and his associates said in this report for
years.
M$ quietly ignored those reccomendations, made by some of the most
upstanding members of the Internet community. it comes as no surprise
to me that M$ and the vendors they own are still doing the same today.
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