Re: [fw-wiz] @Stake CTO fired for Microsoft comments

From: Mike Hoskins (mike_at_adept.org)
Date: 09/27/03

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Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:11:05 -0700 (PDT)

    From: Paul Robertson <proberts@patriot.net>
    On Fri, 26 Sep 2003, Joseph S D Yao wrote:
    >> Dan's never been afraid to tell the truth. That @Stake fired him for
    >> telling the truth, and such a well-known truth, says more about
    >> @Stake's lack of integrity and love of MS $$$ than it does about Dan.
    >I don't know Dan, so I can't comment on that part.
    >@Stake is in some ways a competitor to TruSecure, so I'll try to avoid
    >commenting on that part too.

    you show wisdom beyond your years. not that i know how old you are, but
    many would not have been so correct. thanks.

    > I think it's a damn shame that companies want the best of both worlds.

    ditto.

    > Much worse than knee jerk vendor reaction to criticism is knee jerk
    > employer reaction to criticism of a third party. I don't think
    > I'd want to work in that sort of environment.

    precisely! and here's the thing (or at least one of them) -- the report
    clearly stated that the opinions were those of the individuals. it did
    not say this was @stake's stance, or any other employer's. the only place
    the employers were mentioned were in the individual's titles (and, i'm
    guessing, they may not have even decided on that).

    the point is, people told the truth and even took precautions to make sure
    the truth was NOT misinterpreted as the opinion of their employers. yet,
    some employers overreacted, showing quite obviously who their bed partners
    truly are.

    > Homogenous networks are bad, and it's worse when your protection

    spot on, as usual. but we're all just agreeing here. people seemed to
    think having tiered firewalls back in the dot-bomb days was "just
    something you do when you have loads of VC cash" -- not. it's just one
    example of taking network security as seriously as it deserves... at
    least for (truly) mission critical sites. blind vendor loyalty rarely
    pays in our world. well, unless it's a check from M$. ("a check from M$"
    is essentially what's been offered to numerous government agencies to
    maintain loyalty to M$ product lines.)

    RFCs have said what Dan and his associates said in this report for years.
    M$ quietly ignored those reccomendations, made by some of the most
    upstanding members of the Internet community. it comes as no surprise
    to me that M$ and the vendors they own are still doing the same today.
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