RE: [fw-wiz] tunnel vs open a hole

From: David Lang (
Date: 04/16/03

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    From: David Lang <>
    To: "Bowden, Kevin" <>
    Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 17:48:09 -0700 (PDT)

    you can purchase support for most, if not all open-source software if that
    is the real problem.

    unfortunantly it's not. opensource software does tend to have things fixed
    faster when problems are discovered, but I think it was the recent
    sendmail holes taht had been in the code for 8 years without being
    discovered. more eyes doesn't eliminate all bugs. (this isn't to say
    commercial software is any better, win95 had a bug in it that wasn't
    discovered for 4 years that prevented it from running for more then 50

    another problem with open-source software is that since people tend to do
    the work that's fun, minor things like documenting how to use the software
    tends to lag significantly.

    when a company looks at useing opensource software they need to include
    the cost of these things in the balance.

    I still believe that in most cases opensource is still better, but it's
    not free.

    David Lang

    On Tue, 15 Apr 2003, Bowden, Kevin wrote:

    > Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2003 10:24:57 -0400
    > From: "Bowden, Kevin" <>
    > To:
    > Subject: RE: [fw-wiz] tunnel vs open a hole
    > Well, one reason at least, is management's hesitation / refusal to trust
    > enterprise solutions to an ethereal support system. They want to be able to
    > have someone pick up a phone when something breaks so they can get the
    > problem fixed ASAP. While this is no guarantee of a fix, at least they can
    > upwardly report "Our technical guys are on the phone with the vendor." That
    > is a bit more substantial than "they dropped a post in a usenet group and
    > are waiting for someone to reply."
    > Kevin W. Bowden, CISSP
    > Senior Firewall Administrator
    > Northrop Grumman Information Technology
    > -----Original Message-----
    > From: Marcus J. Ranum []
    > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:06 AM
    > To: Sloane, David;
    > Subject: RE: [fw-wiz] tunnel vs open a hole
    > Sloane, David wrote:
    > >I was just about to ignore this ever-expanding thread when this post from
    > >Mr. Ranum caught my attention. Every aspect of the problem is addressed by
    > >open-source software development.
    > Spoken like a true believer...
    > _BUT_ -- if open source is the solution, why do we still have the problem?
    > mjr.
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