RE: [fw-wiz] OWA and Risk Assesment

From: David Lang (
Date: 12/04/02

From: David Lang <>
To: Eric L Budke <>
Date: Wed Dec  4 14:34:02 2002

A large question to ask is who are the people you are allowing to use

if it's people you would allow to use a VPN, but a VPN is not available
(untrusted remote machine, VPN problems, etc) then the citrix
vunerabilities are less of an issue (especially if you do strong
authentication before allowing the citrix session to start), but if you
are planning to allow completely untrusted people access to OWA then I
would seriously suggest that you plan on useing a different webmail
service that will allow you to isolate it from your NT servers more

remember that exchange does support IMAP and POP connections so if you
just need webmail with an exchange back-end you have lots of options, if
you need access to the other outlook functions things get more difficult.

David Lang

On Wed, 4 Dec 2002, Eric L Budke wrote:

> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2002 11:18:04 -0500
> From: Eric L Budke <>
> To: Simon Graham <>,
> David Lang <>,
> Volker Tanger <>
> Cc:,,
> Subject: RE: [fw-wiz] OWA and Risk Assesment
> This of course leaves out the little issue that if you have bad accounts on
> the internal domain and don't restrict as to which has citrix access, and
> an application that provides some ability to open or "save as" a file
> generally can result in access to cmd.exe. Since citrix is real nice about
> mapping drives, you don't even have to upload (or figure out a way to
> upload) any tools to the citrix server in order to attack the internal
> domain(s).
> For what it is worth (and so it doesn't appear that I'm citrix-only
> bashing), the same general issues appear in term-server as well. The
> restricting of sessions works well for the real easy stuff, but I've seen
> people accidentally figure out ways to get cmd.exe access when the regular
> tried and true methods weren't working (due to the app lockdowns).
> The best part is, you get the right account, you get a nice desktop gui.
> At 01:08 AM 12/4/2002, Simon Graham wrote:
> >It is worth noting that Citrix has its own proprietary gateway and
> >ticketing service called Citrix Secure Gateway (CSG) that it uses to
> >authenticate sessions and proxy sessions on port 443 for connection to
> >backend Citrix Metaframe servers listening on TCP 1494 (ICA). In
> >essence:
> >1) A user connects to a portal server (Citrix Nfuse on port 80 or
> >443) using user credentials (plus SecureID if required).
> >2) After login the request is passed to a proprietary ticketing
> >authority and a ticket is generated. If authentication is successful
> >half of the ticket is returned to the client and the other to the CSG
> >server. At the same time the Metaframe farm is queried for apps
> >accessible to the user and using JAVA script a web page is created on
> >the fly and returned to the user.
> >3) Once the user clicks on an app icon an ICA file containing info
> >about the app and connection is generated to allow connection on 443 to
> >the CSG server.
> >4) At the CSG server the halves of the tickets are compared and if
> >they match the CSG server proxies the connection to the Metaframe farm
> >via ICA.
> >
> >All connections from the external network(s) can use SSL and thus only
> >443 needs to be opened to the Nfuse Portal and the CSG servers sitting
> >in a DMZ. Port 80 needs to be open from the portal in the DMZ to
> >Metaframe (ICA) farm on the internal network. ICA (1494) needs to be
> >open from the CSG box in the DMZ to the Metaframe (ICA) farm on the
> >internal network. I am told that the port 80 connections will be
> >replaced with SSL ability in the next release.
> >
> >Not perfect but an interesting approach. The Portal and CSG software is
> >available for WIN2K and Solaris.
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