Re: [fw-wiz] concerning ~el8 / project mayhem

From: Antonomasia (ant@notatla.demon.co.uk)
Date: 08/19/02 

To: barney@tp.databus.com, firewall-wizards@honor.icsalabs.com
From: ant@notatla.demon.co.uk (Antonomasia)
Date: Mon Aug 19 19:38:01 2002

From: Barney Wolff <barney@tp.databus.com>

> I'm really bemused by this whole thread. When a hole is published,
> do people really wait for reports of exploits before patching?

Yes. Haven't we been round this before ? Managers decide how much
to skimp on security and geeks get to decide (within limits) which
windows to bar with the rolled-up newspaper. Geeks get the rest of the
day off for web surfing provided they don't complain too much. Certain
windows aren't allowed newspaper - Mr Big must have his wireless LAN.

But what's the point of talking patches before you can get the admins to
chmod the world-writable root directories ? That state of affairs and the
fact that I can't fire people might not be completely unrelated.

And still the auditors are only interested in whether we can show on what
date each password was set. 

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